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  • In Pieces for Suspension Work - 2011 Ninja 1000

    Well, I have good news and I have bad news. The bad news is that the suspension on the Ninja 1000 is just not up to handling the demands of a 6'4", 290lb rider. Honestly, given the softness of the rear, I would be surprised if it handled a 200lb rider. How so? I was able to easily, without any significant effort, bottom the rear suspension from the read handrails. So, this needs to get corrected. Bad news #2, the Ninja 1000 and its kissing cousin the Z-1000 are so new that no suspension parts exist.

    So, Lauren contacted Traction Dynamics outside Atlanta. We are getting them to rebuild my suspension, front and rear.

    Now, for the good news. The bike, after only 27 hours in my name and 25 hours in the house, is in pieces. The challenge was that the Service Manual doesn't even exist in the U.S. yet. Seriously! It is still at the printers. It will ship from the printers in "early December", where it will be shipped (literally, by ship) to the Kawasaki warehouse in the U.S. It doesn't even exist at the dealers. I did get the part number for the Service Manual after spending time on the phone with Kawasaki directly. The part number is 99924144231. Ask for it, by name. ;)

    So, we (collectively, Lauren and I) worked our way through it. The fairing comes off in just 2 pieces, left and right. It was easy to remove. A little scary the first time, but quite easy. We measured the "approximate" distance of the rear spring (it is 14" center bolt to center bolt). The top of the rear suspension is 1" wide, and the bottom is approximately 1.5" wide. So, I created a tenon on one end of a scrap piece of 1.5" x 1.5" wood, cut it to 14", and Lauren drilled slightly offset holes in the ends. Lauren was the genius behind this technique, I just did a little woodworking. We then used the wood tool to replace the rear shock once it was removed.

    The front forks dropped with just 2 sets of 2 pinch bolts, mid and handlebar level. Being so new, they dropped very easily. Removing them was a cakewalk.

    As a note for future work, the headers are easily accessible. I want to remove them, and take them in for high-temp powder coating ... probably black, but red might look bad-ass or it could just look bad. ;)

    Traction Dynamic hasn't even seen a Z-1000 or Ninja 1000 suspension front or rear yet. So, they are excited we are bringing it to them. We are bringing it up. I will keep you posted, but from all I have heard about them I expect outstanding results.

    We don't have torque specs on any bolts. So, that is a little scary, but I think we can approximate from the bolt size. This is going well so far, stay tuned for more.
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    "A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you are talking real money."
    Senator Everert Dirksen

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    Re: In Pieces for Suspension Work - 2011 Ninja 1000

    Oh, and incase anyone is wondering how the rear stand is staying on the back of the table, I have a U-bracket that I made from a Muffler clamp that goes over the handle of the Pit-Bull stand. It secures the stand to the table without any possibility of movement.

    There you have it folks..possibly the FIRST Ninja 1000 disassembly pic on the internet!

    http://www.cyclepathic.com/

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    • #3
      Re: In Pieces for Suspension Work - 2011 Ninja 1000

      ...u's undid it...

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      • #4
        Re: In Pieces for Suspension Work - 2011 Ninja 1000

        I guess there is something endemic with mass-produced motorcycles that are designed for the "average" sized person (who probably only exists as a statistic). Despite the fantastic engineering and performance, you still need to fix the suspension, seats, wind protection and other compromised components to make a brand-new bike functional.

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        • #5
          Re: In Pieces for Suspension Work - 2011 Ninja 1000

          ya'll will like the guys at traxxion.
          very polite and they dont try to sell you crap you dont need.

          they dont like working on extremely dirty, greasy, unkempt zx10's though........just ask claus..


          pete

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          • #6
            Re: In Pieces for Suspension Work - 2011 Ninja 1000

            We have a date with them on Thursday morning.

            If they live up to the hype, the Ninja 1000 will be awesome!

            http://www.cyclepathic.com/

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            • #7
              Re: In Pieces for Suspension Work - 2011 Ninja 1000

              Assuming that she goes back together as smoothly as she came apart, I will be back riding soon, and doing so with a vastly improved suspension.
              "A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you are talking real money."
              Senator Everert Dirksen

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              • #8
                Re: In Pieces for Suspension Work - 2011 Ninja 1000

                Way to go Bill n' Lauren...take that new bike apart and soup it up!
                Only perverted folks leave their bikes stock.

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                • #9
                  Re: In Pieces for Suspension Work - 2011 Ninja 1000

                  WOW!!! Bike looks good that way :)

                  Too bad you couldn't just try and go to the GYM first before breaking her down.......
                  Don't be fooled by my Joining date, I've been around alot longer. Names have been alter'd to protect the innocent.

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                  • #10
                    Re: In Pieces for Suspension Work - 2011 Ninja 1000

                    Originally posted by SeaPuP View Post
                    WOW!!! Bike looks good that way :)

                    Too bad you couldn't just try and go to the GYM first before breaking her down.......
                    Sure, the gym is a good thing to lose weight, but I think KHI got the spring rate way off. Since it's a shock without any linkage that could affect the rate/stroke or offer any kind of logarithmic force or mechanical advantage - hence a linear rate - spring choice, based on weight is going to be super critical in the context of a Z1000/Ninja 1000.

                    Also, Bill is 6'4" and close to 290lbs. Not a small boy by any means and I'm 5'10.5" and I weigh less.

                    http://www.cyclepathic.com/

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                    • #11
                      Re: In Pieces for Suspension Work - 2011 Ninja 1000

                      do any bikes come set up right for every body shape, weight, height etc.
                      tammy's cbr600 came with springs for a 125lb person.

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                      • #12
                        Re: In Pieces for Suspension Work - 2011 Ninja 1000

                        Originally posted by XXXXL View Post
                        do any bikes come set up right for every body shape, weight, height etc.
                        tammy's cbr600 came with springs for a 125lb person.
                        I think the leverage ratios and such of all the different shocks on the market make it pretty hard to get it right the first time out. Too many variables for the most part.
                        http://www.cyclepathic.com/

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                        • #13
                          Re: In Pieces for Suspension Work - 2011 Ninja 1000

                          SeaPup, I doubt the gym would have made much, if any, significant difference in the bike. In me, that is another story. ;) The rear suspension was so light that I doubt it would have supported more than about 175lbs. It seems that the reference weights for riders that bikes are setup for are intriguing, at best. For example, while I am 290, the bike is supposedly rated to 430lbs. There is no way that the bike would ever come close to supporting that as it is currently sprung.

                          It also seems that various manufacturers and various bikes of those manufacturers vary dramatically in this. It seems more are lighter than heavier, but a few are sprung too stiffly. C'est la vie. Not a big change. Should make the bike rock when it is done.
                          "A billion here, a billion there, and pretty soon you are talking real money."
                          Senator Everert Dirksen

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                          • #14
                            Re: In Pieces for Suspension Work - 2011 Ninja 1000

                            Originally posted by laurenoe View Post
                            I think the leverage ratios and such of all the different shocks on the market make it pretty hard to get it right the first time out. Too many variables for the most part.
                            I was able to up the spring rate on this Mille that I built by decreasing the leverage (ratio).
                            Just took some 1/4" T6-651 (factory was just under .200"), trigged out the factory ratio and decreased it by 15%.
                            Worked like a charm.
                            Non linkage shocks are kind of a pain.
                            sigpic

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                            • #15
                              Re: In Pieces for Suspension Work - 2011 Ninja 1000

                              Originally posted by Jack View Post
                              I was able to up the spring rate on this Mille that I built by decreasing the leverage (ratio).
                              Just took some 1/4" T6-651 (factory was just under .200"), trigged out the factory ratio and decreased it by 15%.
                              Worked like a charm.
                              Non linkage shocks are kind of a pain.
                              That's what I'm talking 'bout!
                              Nice!
                              http://www.cyclepathic.com/

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